Curse

Fitz Rinley · Apr 20, 2009, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by LowOiL

You say "Pu" is filtered, I saw no such filter when I typed "punk".

I do not remember the word, but I remember Falcondance and I discussing the weirdness of it. I do have a witness that it happened.

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Also as I pointed out, The ESRB rating did NOT say Crude Humor and Strong Language whatsoever.

Where you Chose to stop looking on the box met your limited interest so you put forth no additional effort.

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Just because it was rated Teen did not mean the game included every descriptor which gave a Teen rating, far from it, it put in descriptors to exactly say what content the purchaser was to expect in the game.

Because it was rated Teen you should expect all applicable descriptors to be possible.

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Please refrain from saying I or anybody else was warned about the language when purchasing the game. It is a bald face lie and I tire of you perpetuating it endlessly.

You assume that the industry is responsible to babysit you. I see you don't want to accept that you are too lazy to research product information before you purchase it. Now you want to hold everyone else accountable for your unwillingness to function and lack of tolerance.

I will not be held accountable for meanings I did not intend when I created my characters, nor will I accept it. I and Cthulhu are in 1,000% agreement. If I name a character or pet Skidwallerwopwop it is suddenly supposed to be somekind of insult because the letters w o p appear in it. That it has a neat sonic resonance, and only that, is unimportant. As long as someone like you Wants to be offended then I have to change the name and take days off. What you are really teaching your children is that intolerance is a tool for use and abuse to advance the self over and against others. I can only assume from this you are a fellow American, but exactly the kind my parents raised me not to be.

LowOiL · Apr 20, 2009, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

Grow up and stop trolling. If you want attention, go somewhere else. We're trying to discuss something quite serious here.

How you translate disagreeing and discussing a complete turnaround in Anet's policy enforcement into people whining for the sake of whining is beyond me.

Odd how the post above Red's is not trolling to you? Yet Red's quoting policy to make a point is.

What was the difference... perhaps sides taken.

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Where you Chose to stop looking on the box met your limited interest so you put forth no additional effort.

Interpretation... you can't find a box with the what you said was on it at all.

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Because it was rated Teen you should expect all applicable descriptors to be possible.

That defeats the purpose of descriptors doesn't it. There would be absolutely no reason to have descriptors if that was the case. Try again.

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

You assume that the industry is responsible to babysit you.

No I said exactly what I meant. Here is my exact words... "Please refrain from saying I or anybody else was warned about the language when purchasing the game. It is a bald face lie and I tire of you perpetuating it endlessly"

Fitz Rinley · Apr 20, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by LowOiL

Odd how the post above Red's is not trolling to you? Yet Red's quoting policy to make a point is.

What was the difference... perhaps sides taken.

Falcondance happens to be a moderator at a forum with over 300,000 members. Her observation here is rather accurate. Red Sonya and I have butted heads before, and Red Sonya would decry the sky as orange if I took the stance that it was blue. She has nothing of value to consider.

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Originally Posted by ESRB [B

Defintion of Teen[/B]] TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

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Originally Posted by ESRB Content Descriptor List and Value

ESRB Content Descriptors
Alcohol Reference - Reference to and/or images of alcoholic beverages
Animated Blood - Discolored and/or unrealistic depictions of blood
Blood - Depictions of blood
Blood and Gore - Depictions of blood or the mutilation of body parts
Cartoon Violence - Violent actions involving cartoon-like situations and characters. May include violence where a character is unharmed after the action has been inflicted
Comic Mischief - Depictions or dialogue involving slapstick or suggestive humor
Crude Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving vulgar antics, including “bathroom” humor
Drug Reference - Reference to and/or images of illegal drugs
Fantasy Violence - Violent actions of a fantasy nature, involving human or non-human characters in situations easily distinguishable from real life
Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death
Language - Mild to moderate use of profanity
Lyrics - Mild references to profanity, sexuality, violence, alcohol or drug use in music
Mature Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving "adult" humor, including sexual references
Nudity - Graphic or prolonged depictions of nudity
Partial Nudity - Brief and/or mild depictions of nudity
Real Gambling - Player can gamble, including betting or wagering real cash or currency
Sexual Content - Non-explicit depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including partial nudity
Sexual Themes - References to sex or sexuality
Sexual Violence - Depictions of rape or other violent sexual acts
Simulated Gambling - Player can gamble without betting or wagering real cash or currency
Strong Language - Explicit and/or frequent use of profanity
Strong Lyrics - Explicit and/or frequent references to profanity, sex, violence, alcohol or drug use in music
Strong Sexual Content - Explicit and/or frequent depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including nudity
Suggestive Themes - Mild provocative references or materials
Tobacco Reference - Reference to and/or images of tobacco products
Use of Drugs - The consumption or use of illegal drugs
Use of Alcohol - The consumption of alcoholic beverages
Use of Tobacco - The consumption of tobacco products
Violence - Scenes involving aggressive conflict. May contain bloodless dismemberment
Violent References - References to violent acts

NOTE:
When a content descriptor is preceded by the term "Mild," it is intended to convey low frequency, intensity or severity of the content it modifies.

Content descriptors are not intended to be a listing of every type of content one might encounter in the course of playing a game. For more detail about how ESRB assigns content descriptors, click here.

You are correct in that Strong Lyrics does not appear as a descriptor. But Strong language does appear as the definition. Attention to detail is lacking and the reason you failed in your research skills to begin with. I did not claim content descriptors applied that were not in the definition of the Teen rating. I only claimed those that are its definition.

You had as much opportunity to be warned as anyone else willing to put in the effort to look up the material. Like most people you did not. Just as most people merely click accept rather than read the entire EULA. You feel rooked because you did not make the effort and are now mad because I have pointed it out.

FalconDance · Apr 20, 2009, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by LowOiL

Odd how the post above Red's is not trolling to you? Yet Red's quoting policy to make a point is.

What was the difference... perhaps sides taken.

Actually, LowOil, Sonya was quoting something from a post of mine - taken out of context (so it made little sense by itself). And the post above hers was one in which I was responding to something/someone else, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make unless you are yourself hiding under a bridge....

By the way, were the sirens a false alarm yesterday? Everyone ok your way?

LowOiL · Apr 20, 2009, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

Actually, LowOil, Sonya was quoting something from a post of mine - taken out of context (so it made little sense by itself). And the post above hers was one in which I was responding to something/someone else, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make unless you are yourself hiding under a bridge....

By the way, were the sirens a false alarm yesterday? Everyone ok your way?

Ok, the post above Red's made little sense to me, but if in reference to something you said, then I fully apologize. Half the comments I can't tell if they are directed towards me or not since they tend to take a generic open statement policy which is hard to follow. I usually frequent forums where you pinged the person you were responding to, this style is just hard for me to follow the exact current ebb and flow.

We went to the basement, rotation in sky was reported but nothing came about with it. But to be honest, I am scared to death of tornadoes and have even built a special reinforced area to weather storms in the basement. Last week we had tornadoes 3 miles west of us that did a lot of damage, one of my workmates lost everything. I am a big ugly fellow, but them twisters scare the Anet censored words out of me.

Tullzinski · Apr 20, 2009, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Way to go Martin. I'm witcha man. I turned in about 10 more names today of characters and guild tags. Keep up the good work. You can't get rid of the riffraff on forums, but, you can give them a nice boot in your game and I'm all for that. for this is the real truth of it all. It's YOUR game, YOUR world and YOUR decisions of what is proper and what isn't. People that obey the rules and they KNOW they rules when they are breaking them deserve what they are getting. Of course they can rush to websites and cry foul and boo hoo and how innocent they are but you and me both know they aren't. Politically correct doesn't matter. Your rules and your decisions are what matters. I'll keep doing my part to help you out too.

Hey red this should keep you busy for awhile, don't get too excited about it...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10355750

enjoy sucking the fun from these people...

LowOiL · Apr 20, 2009, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

You are correct in that Strong Lyrics does not appear as a descriptor. But Strong language does appear as the definition. Attention to detail is lacking and the reason you failed in your research skills to begin with. I did not claim content descriptors applied that were not in the definition of the Teen rating. I only claimed those that are its definition.

You had as much opportunity to be warned as anyone else willing to put in the effort to look up the material. Like most people you did not. Just as most people merely click accept rather than read the entire EULA. You feel rooked because you did not make the effort and are now mad because I have pointed it out.

Yes, I am correct that the descriptors I posted the screenshots of from the guildwars box did not include strong language. Yes you are correct that the rating system uses a disclaimer that it does not have to list all a game's content in the descriptors. One would think it would, but it has the lawyer talk that prevails society now of disclaimers for about everything.

More importantly on your behalf is this tidbit...

Online Rating Notice

Online games that include user-generated content (e.g., chat, maps, skins) carry the notice Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB (formerly Game experience may change during online play) to warn consumers that content created by players of the game has not been rated by the ESRB. This is used to describe the fact that players online may speak in an inappropriate manner, or use profanity (which cannot be effectively rated by ESRB), as well as to warn about possible mods which may not be given a rating by the ESRB.[5]

No I don't feel ashamed that lawyer talk and lack of lawyer research twarped my ability to know a rating posted on the package was absolutely useless.

No I will not stop using my small voice to try to influence Anet to try to keep the game from molting into a cesspool repository.

RotteN · Apr 20, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that this game does need some form of censoring. Blatantly obvious insulting names should be banned, simply to prevent the game from turning into a "try-to-beat-the-word-filter"-thing.

However, the problem arises when you consider all your supported languages (which are, for Guild Wars, quite a lot) and slang from those languages. While doing so, you pretty much create a situation where there is a real chance that people pick an offensive name without even knowing they did.

You need to draw the line somewhere, and imo, right now, they've drawn that line waaay too far into the "puritain side".

kedde · Apr 20, 2009, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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right now, they've drawn that line waaay too far into the "puritain side".

This needs very strong emphasis.

TwinRaven · Apr 21, 2009, 04:30 AM // 04:30

I was serious when I said everyone who plays and reads these forums should do two things:

1. report 1-2 violators per day, according to the "clarification" of the new and "improved" EULA

2. encourage everyone you know to do the same.

We all know exactly what constitutes inappropriate, now...act on it! I hardly think 1-2 /reports per day constitute abuse, especially if the names fall into the new rules. Remember kiddies, no religious figures so no god or gods (big or little "g"), no one with monk in the name...never mind it's a class...they are religious figures and must pay for their blasphemy..."real life violence"...ooooh, all those names with smash, hit, kill etc...obviously not fit for viewing and should not be hard to find. Now if even 1/1000th of us were to do this we would generate around 6,ooo-12,000 reports per day! Just think of all the naughty people we will force ANet to review and ban...My only fear is that they won't be able to keep up. It would be a shame if they had to abandon the whole process...I for one will do my part.

If you want to make an appropriate name, take a lesson from me...I just made a monk named Naughty Euphemism...can you get banned for a name referring to a bannable name? Now, all I need to know is: Do I report someone with a name like Bumpity Bump Bump for violence,sex or copyright infringement...? (see Frosty the Snowman lyrics and tell me the chorus doesn't sound a little pervy).

cataphract · Apr 21, 2009, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Does the "no RL violence" apply to non-english names too?

pumpkin pie · Apr 21, 2009, 05:49 AM // 05:49

As a teen rated game, i think, in my humble opinion, offensive names often is just an offensive names, unlike some people who called themselves bear would more likely turns out to be a pedo.

cataphract · Apr 21, 2009, 07:39 AM // 07:39

Not only a pedo, but a cheap and lazy bastard too.

Arduin · Apr 21, 2009, 08:22 AM // 08:22

...playing that MMO we won't name

Zahr Dalsk · Apr 21, 2009, 12:20 PM // 12:20

ArenaNet, you have to rename Brawling Headbutt or remove it from the game. It references real-life violence, you even banned a character for having that name.

FalconDance · Apr 21, 2009, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Well, I received word back from Regina regarding my husband's sudden banning and forced renaming of characters (some nearly 4 years old). According to Support, his names had always violated the policy (by "intent", they "feel", regardless of spelling or reality) and, thanks to a couple "offended" players reporting (his perma sin whom he mistakenly left AFK at Umbral), they finally "caught" him. Ok, I will agree - and he has all along - that the 'sin's name likely violated the policy but his others did NOT. Support cannot differentiate between prepositions and nouns. The latter was my conclusion, not, of course, theirs.

Oh, and Anet has not, according to Regina, stepped up enforcement in any way. Banning incidents have not increased in number or exactitude. That is perception, apparently, not reality. We're just imagining it all. (The last, again, my conclusion.)

Which goes to argue two points already brought up in this thread but which Anet seems to be completely missing:

Anet has become TOO zealous in babysitting, umm, 'protecting' individuals who may possibly become offended at some point in time at which they could encounter a person not sharing their tender sensibilities or their native language. Oh wait, Support says they haven't begun enforcing any more frequently or zealously. Apparently they're just four years behind the game.

The Naming Policy should be implemented and enforced strictly at character creation, not at some unknown point in the future when Support gets around to it after a person has invested time and effort into a character (by a certain identity).

(Although I do stand by my words, I do thank Regina for her looking into the matter.)

Tullzinski · Apr 21, 2009, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

Well, I received word back from Regina regarding my husband's sudden banning and forced renaming of characters (some nearly 4 years old). According to Support, his names had always violated the policy (by "intent", they "feel", regardless of spelling or reality) and, thanks to a couple "offended" players reporting (his perma sin whom he mistakenly left AFK at Umbral), they finally "caught" him. Ok, I will agree - and he has all along - that the 'sin's name likely violated the policy but his others did NOT. Support cannot differentiate between prepositions and nouns. The latter was my conclusion, not, of course, theirs.

Oh, and Anet has not, according to Regina, stepped up enforcement in any way. Banning incidents have not increased in number or exactitude. That is perception, apparently, not reality. We're just imagining it all. (The last, again, my conclusion.)

Which goes to argue two points already brought up in this thread but which Anet seems to be completely missing:

Anet has become TOO zealous in babysitting, umm, 'protecting' individuals who may possibly become offended at some point in time at which they could encounter a person not sharing their tender sensibilities or their native language. Oh wait, Support says they haven't begun enforcing any more frequently or zealously. Apparently they're just four years behind the game.

The Naming Policy should be implemented and enforced strictly at character creation, not at some unknown point in the future when Support gets around to it after a person has invested time and effort into a character (by a certain identity).

(Although I do stand by my words, I do thank Regina for her looking into the matter.)

Falcon, did he incur a suspension for each infraction or were they all lumped into one. If so how long? Also did they inform him what kind of "marks" were applied to his account? I am very curious since this goes back to a previous post I have about "dire consequences"

AmbientMelody · Apr 21, 2009, 02:13 PM // 14:13

This naming policy 'witch hunt' is not only against freedom of speech of some sort but also against common sense. I think it's about time Anet decided what's more important - right of the individual or right of the society as a whole. Personally I favour right of the individual.

Lonesamurai · Apr 21, 2009, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Ok, the BIG THING here is that the Naming Policy HAS NOT CHANGED, they are just reminding us of it and reinforcing the fact they are now policing it properly!

FalconDance · Apr 21, 2009, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Falcon, did he incur a suspension for each infraction or were they all lumped into one. If so how long? Also did they inform him what kind of "marks" were applied to his account? I am very curious since this goes back to a previous post I have about "dire consequences"

He was banned for three days (72 hrs). No warning; his game err=07 at some point and I closed it down not realizing there was a problem. Later when he tried to log, he found out he'd been banned. As far as we knew, it was for the one name which, as I've said all along, we thought likely violated the policy (yes, it was childish of him but sometimes even the most mature person gets fed up with stupidity and lashes out inappropriately).

But when he tried to log into his others, who do NOT share the name but rather a previously accepted alternative, he had to rename those as well. Seems everything was tarred with the same brush because Support could not be bothered to employ common sense and the benefit of a doubt.

We are left to assume he has one mark against his account as per the vague terms outlined under the Conduct Breaches form. But we really don't know since Support is incredibly unwilling or unable to provide definitive terms, time constraints, etc. when speaking of assignation of disciplinary action(s).